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MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project

Both Decoders (MUSE => RGB) and Converters (MUSE => NTSC)

Which title(s) should be processed first? (choose up to 3)

Alaska: Last Frontier (1994) [00MW-0008]
4
4%
Atlantis (1991) [PILH-1003]
1
1%
Back to the Future (1985) [PA-HD80196]
7
8%
Back to the Future Part II (1989) [PA-HD80914]
1
1%
Back to the Future Part III (1990) [PA-HD80976]
1
1%
Basic Instinct (1992) (Uncut) [PILH-1002]
0
No votes
Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) [HVMC-14590]
3
3%
Bugsy (1991) [HVMC-13645]
0
No votes
Chaplin (1992) [PILH-1005]
1
1%
Cliffhanger (1993) [PILH-1007]
2
2%
Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Special Edition (1980) [HVMC-10003]
1
1%
Dances with Wolves (1990) (Uncut) [PILH-7001]
3
3%
E.T. (1982) [PA-HD77012]
1
1%
Ferrari of the Art [COLE-50004]
3
3%
Guyana - The Lost World [00MW-0016]
4
4%
In the Line of Fire (1993) [HVMC-19668]
0
No votes
Jurassic Park (1993) [PA-HD82061]
10
11%
Katie & Marielle Labeque: The Loves of Emma Bardac [SRLM 1067]
1
1%
Lawrence of Arabia (1962) [HVMC-12058]
2
2%
League of Their Own, A (1992) [HVMC-14589]
0
No votes
Legends of the Fall (1994) [HVMC-21588]
3
3%
Maeda - Hills of the Seasons (1990) [00MW-0005]
2
2%
Musee du Louvre 2 [ICHL-0002]
1
1%
Pictures at an Exhibition, Solti CSO [SRLM 1068]
3
3%
Pioneer: Hi-Vision LD Demonstration Disc (1993) [HE-100]
12
13%
Silence of the Lambs, The (1991) [HVMC-12819]
2
2%
Sleepless in Seattle (1993) [HVMC-19799]
0
No votes
Song of Africa (1997) [00MW-0014]
0
No votes
Sony: The Test Disc (1995) [00MW-0009]
7
8%
Stargate (1994) [PILH-1008]
5
5%
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) [PILH-1001]
10
11%
Top Gun (1986) [PA-HD71692]
1
1%
Universal Soldier (1992) [PILH-1004]
0
No votes
Wolf (1994) [HVMC-18647]
1
1%
 
Total votes: 92

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eagerly waiting to see what the rig can do.
Are the SSDs in RIAD?

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Any updates?

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It looks like the winner is Jurassic Park. I need one long hdmi cable between my capture rig and playback rig then I am allset for the first capture.

Unfortunately the Muse audio is a mess. The simplest form is 2ch pcm. I am not equipped to capture 4ch mix. The capture is going to include the 2ch pcm tracks.

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substance wrote:Unfortunately the Muse audio is a mess. I am not equipped to capture 4ch mix.


Does every duck have 4ch audio?
What are you missing to capture it?

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whatchitfoool wrote:
substance wrote:Unfortunately the Muse audio is a mess. I am not equipped to capture 4ch mix.


Does every duck have 4ch audio?
What are you missing to capture it?


Some have 4ch and some are 2ch only. Those that are 4ch also have the 2ch version as pcm.

I don't have any soundcard on this rig. I am using my Lumagen Radiance 2144 to transcode digital coax into hdmi along with the component video from the muse decoder. Other option would be to use the blackmagic intensive pro 4k to digitize the component video but the radiance have better adc implementation. Also the intensity pro doesn't have any digital audio input.
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2ch PCM is good enough :thumbup:

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How does one know if the disc contains a 4ch audio track?
Is it stated on the jacket?

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Are you using the Lumagen to do any processing / Darbee or are you going to capture a "raw" MUSE disc w/o any help from Lumagen?
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Any update on the status?

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whatchitfoool wrote:How does one know if the disc contains a 4ch audio track?
Is it stated on the jacket?

Yes, both jacket & disc label should show something along the lines of "A-Mode 4ch Stereo".

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Waiting with bated breath.
I know substance will deliver!

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substance wrote:
whatchitfoool wrote:Waiting with bated breath.
I know substance will deliver!



Thank you. I will try the first capture early to mid next week.


Can we narrow the scope by specifying the year? 2019 hopefully :angel:

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No love during the pandemic?

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Hi-Vision LDs should be preserved before they rot away. Especially the titles that haven't been released in any other format. I'm saddened to see that there aren't any big collective efforts to preserve them.

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whatchitfoool wrote:No love during the pandemic?



Pandemic didn’t help my free time situation. I have been going into the office everyday like before. I will eventually get to this but doesn’t seem anytime soon.
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Wow, that collection is really impressive.

Do you still have the Jurassic Park file somewhere. The link is dead and I would love to look at it.

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I pulled my capture card from storage the other day. It is a Black magic Intensity Pro 4k PCIe card. Supposedly, it can capture up to 4K30 from its HDMI input. It also has a DB25 connector with breakout cables with composite, S-video, and component inputs. The analog I/O section is a bit disappointing. It uses the ADV7180 chipset which is 2D 5-Line only for the composite input. The famous ADV7800 chipset was already available well before this product launched.

Edit: Kintex 7 - XC7K70T by AMD/Xilinx is the FPGA used on this card. It is actually a very expensive FPGA for a $235 capture card.
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Were any full captures were ever completed?

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Someone is also working on a software MUSE decoder:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/394168-Current-status-of-ld-decode-vhs-decode-(true-backup-of-RF-signals)/page32#post2682590

If the development continues, this could increase the quality for MUSE like lddecode did for regular discs.

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